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Screw this organized religion shit with a rented dick.

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This post is probably going to trigger some people's flailing and shrieking. You are welcome to flail and shriek, but try to be civil about it. ;)

So this organized religion stuff seems to, actually, allow a great deal of Pilate-like washing of hands in place of actually doing, you know, the work of this Yeshua ben Yosef dude who apparently said 'wouldn't it be keen if people weren't dicks to each other?' a couple millennia ago. For every asshole out there shrieking, today, about how THE US MILITARY IS GOING TO HELL NOW THAT DADT IS OVERTURNED, there's nine more Christians who aren't doing that... and who are not telling this guy to stop doing it in their name.
There's the real rub here- it isn't that every Christian on the planet is a bigoted moron, but that they don't tell the bigoted morons to sit the hell down and shut the hell up. I'm willing to believe that many- even most- Christians actually have Christian ethics about doing unto others, loving their neighbors, and so on. But these gentle folks are completely overpowered by the shrieking of the bigots who pretend to be their brethren, yet who violate St. Paul's dictates about not evangelizing, hate their neighbor, and do unto others as nobody but them's entitled. See, that's where my real problem with organized religion comes from: if you're genuinely into this Christ dude, don't you have to follow all the instructions in the manual? Aren't you required to love thy neighbor as you love thyself? And surely someone who's doing it wrong- who's picketing a funeral because GOD HATES FAGS or who's throwing rocks at someone black because GOD HATES BLACK PEOPLE- is someone you're supposed to tell that they're doing it wrong?
Really? Isn't that how it works here, or am I mistaken? After all, I only grew up in a church and attended fucking seminary for a while. Maybe I missed the 'be a shithead' section of class... but I really doubt it.

I'll tell you what. I'll try to keep my folks from vandalizing your church, flipping off nuns and stuff- if you can do what you can to keep YOUR folks from being Fred Phelps. And I know that he's not YOUR Christians, he's a Weird Little Sect of Christians. But that doesn't make it unnecessary for you to say 'hey look, he's a jerk, we hate him too'. It just makes those of us outside of the faith-based community see 'there is 1 complete jerkwad... and there's 99 people who are letting him call himself by the same name, and saying nothing to counter what he says. Maybe there is a strong undercurrent of Christian homophobia, and you just have 1 guy who's willing to admit to it, out of that 100'.
  • I don't feel like I have to answer for what other Christians say and do any more than gays have to answer for what other gays do, etc.

    That said, I don't really believe in organized anything, much less religion. In my view, people don't have the right to tell each other what to believe; that's God's job, after all. When you look at the hash our government has made of the Constitution, it's hardly surprising that people have made far worse hash of a book that at its youngest is 10 times older than the Constitution.

    I also like to point out to folks that Fred Phelps and all his ilk are Democrats. I consider the Phelpsians (I refuse to call them a church) to be a non-Christian cult that hollowed out Christianity and put their own poison inside.

    And finally, if you want to complain about religion, I've got one word for you:


    Homosexuality is ILLEGAL in Saudi Arabia, punishable by DEATH.

    Yet gays seem to piss and moan about Christianity a hell of a lot more than they do about the major religion that's actually ACTIVELY KILLING GAYS.

    So don't go pissing on my beliefs because you don't like what some Christians are SAYING when there are millions of Muslims out there that are KILLING folks like you.

    Sticks and stones and all that.
    • There's an intriguing bit of irony here: Wahhabism, or Salafism, (the predominant form of religious thought in Saudi Arabia) is not all of Islam. Wahhabism is also viewed as ultra-conservative, by other people who subscribe to Islam.
      To my eyes, the point you're making about Islam is the same point I was making about Christianity. There are some serious jerkwads here, calling themselves Muslim, who really ought to be asked, by the rest of Islam, to STFU. Not standing against that sort of extremism is uncomfortably easy, for those of us who are outside of said faith, to interpret as tolerance or acceptance of such extremism.

      I think there's tons of good Christianity has done, and does encompass. But the folks over history who've hollowed it out and filled it with their own brand of poison (and I REALLY like that metaphor) have done a lot to make that religion uncomfortable for the rest of us. Not just Phelps, either: the Pope who stuck his fingers in his ears and went LA LA LA LA LA about fascism, the Salem witch trials, and the various crusades all come to mind as things that are a good example of 'this is my personal bias and I'm gonna dress it up as Christianity and see who'll listen'. I don't dislike Christians at all- but I am inherently distrustful of any organization who doesn't admit to wrong doing, up to and including blaming the rise of secular humanism for their recent history of child molestation.

      Edited at 2010-12-25 02:32 am (UTC)
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