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...I have finally found a name for something on LJ that's been driving me nuts.
There's been all sorts of BAW WAAAAH DIRECTORS AND ACTORS SIGNED A PETITION COMPLAINING THAT ROMAN POLANSKI GOT ARRESTED IN SWITZERLAND AT A FILM FESTIVAL BECAUSE FILM FESTIVALS SHOULDN'T BE ABOVE THE LAW THEY ARE ALL HITLER AND EVIL AND CHILD MOLESTERS BY ASSOCIATION AND I WILL NEVER SEE ANOTHER MOVIE THEY TOUCH BAWWWWW noises on LJ of late. Now, personally, I can understand being disappointed if you don't read the petition; the wording very carefully emphasizes that these people found it unpleasant that a film festival was used for a situation of extradition of a criminal who's been on the lam for 31 years or so. There's no effort to defend the crime in question here: simply an expression of displeasure with the act undertaken by the US government and Swiss officials.
BTW, did you know Roman Polanski has been in and out of Switzerland for years? What, surely there wasn't any grandstanding by the governments involved at work here! This was the soonest they could've apprehended Polanski, and their first chance in, uh...
...well...
...looks like 20some years. Of having to hand over his passport at the border for most of them.

Anyways, I am also not looking forward to the cringing agony of watching people shriek 'throw the book at him' when the crime he pled guilty to carries a maximum sentence of, uhm... 1 year or so. So there's going to be a lot of shrieking about how he OBVIOUSLY WAS FAVORED BY THE SYSTEM when the max penalty- seriously, I looked it up and so can you, there's google and it's the california penal code- is 3 years. If he's charged with evading arrest, he'll likely serve more time for that crime than for the initial one.

And now, I have finally found a name for this debacle.
In the great tradition of Nipplegate, Harry Potter and the Underaged Depiction of Sexual Activity, race!fail, and fail!fail, I bring you...
...pedo!fail.
Use the term in good health, my friends.
  • Nice. :)
  • Isn't it lam? Because if it's a lamb that Roman Polanski's been on all these years, he's got way more serious sexual perversions than I thought. And he's not even Scottish.


    Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
  • www.protect.org

  • I wish I'd had that term available when we discussed it in my German class last week.
  • I'll have to disagree with you here, Colubra. He raped someone. Doesn't mattr if the victim was 9, 19 or 90. They saod 'no' and he fucked them anyhow.

    That's rape.

    You know a number of rape survivors. You still think the whole thing is laughable and dismissible?

    I don't. I think he should go to jail for the maximum time possible to send a mssage that money and running away does not protect a rapist.
    • This. I've been raped twice. Once I was a teenager and my abuser was an adult. Once I was drugged (I had a broken wrist and had taken two giant opiates, which the rapist well knew), and thus couldn't have meaningfully consented to a manicure. He committed a violent crime. She kept saying "No" throughout. He confessed to the real crime, but plea-bargained down to the lesser.

      Signed, Not Fucking Funny
      • a small excerpt from my response to Netdancer: running late leaving work. Will check back.

        I am guessing that what wasn't funny was me being a bit flip about people shooting from the hip due to their own issues. I did that mostly because the intent of this post was not to mock them, but to help them brace themselves for how this shit's gonna shake down. Polanski isn't going to get a sentence anything like what you or I would call reasonable. It's better to know that in advance than to be taken by surprise by it.

        I'm sorry that came off as me viewing rape as laughable or dismissable: that is completely not the fact of the matter. Rape is one of the worst ills that humanity can visit upon itself.
        • Re: a small excerpt from my response to Netdancer: running late leaving work. Will check back.

          I don't need your help to brace myself, thanks. I have a therapist, and it's not you. Like Netdancer, I'm aware that he's going to get far less time than he deserves according to the actual court transcripts; have you read those?

          Rape is one of the worst ills that humanity can visit upon itself.

          Thank you for informing me of this. I totally wasn't aware of it. I needed you to mansplain it to me.

          Heck: at this point in her life, the victim openly states that the press has done more damage to her life than Polanski ever did.

          Because we live in a rape culture that still blames the victim, or have you not noticed this? People are STILL accusing her of having been an unusually slutty 13-year-old who should have known that consent to a nude photoshoot also meant consent to being fucked and buggered, both, even while saying no.

          I'm not interested in Polanski's thoughts. I've read posted excerpts from his memoirs in which he describes the RAPE of a CHILD in a pornographic way (e.g. "spread herself for me"). That's enough of the bastard's alleged "thoughts" for me, ta muchly.

          Enjoy your view of my bitbucket, you patronizing git. *plonk*

          • Re: a small excerpt from my response to Netdancer: running late leaving work. Will check back.

            A: yeah, I'm the sort to read all documents I can find on an issue that catches my attention.

            B: I was trying to inform you I agreed with your viewpoint, not to 'mansplain'. I'm sorry that came off as pattonizing: it really wasn't meant to be. As it obviously did come off patronizing, my apologies.

            C: yeah, the press treating her horribly is a symptom of society being outright ill about how it deals with this.

            I'm sorry to have inadvertently wandered into this minefield, and wish I could've gotten across that I was actually in sympathy with you.
            If you think it'd help you put this conflict to rest, please do feel free to share this convo with anyone you'd wanna talk to about it.
            Again, I'm truly sorry. Best of luck.
    • Right. & max time possible, in this situation, under California law? 3 years.
      Am I arguing that's too much? Oh HELL no: throw the book at 'im! The book is just a bit light of expectation, in this particular circumstance of criminal law. I'm hoping that the 30+ years on the run from prosecution results in additional charges: that, however, would be a completely different case from the sexual assault charge.

      And I'm not going to not watch a Terry Gilliam film because Gilliam agreed with several other people that it was pretty tacky to arrest Polanski at a film festival. Maybe Gilliam's a bit of a dolt for doing that, but I'm not going to conflate him saying 'yo, you guys arrested an old guy at a film festival, WTF, there really ought have been a better way to do this' with him committing rape.

      I don't see anything, in what I said initially, that was intended to convey I viewed the matter as laughable or dismissable. I am guessing that what it was was me being a bit flip about people shooting from the hip due to their own issues. I did that mostly because the intent of this post was not to mock them, but to help them brace themselves for how this shit's gonna shake down. Polanski isn't going to get a sentence anything like what you or I would call reasonable. It's better to know that in advance than to be taken by surprise by it.

      I'm sorry that came off as me viewing rape as laughable or dismissable: that is completely not the fact of the matter. Rape is one of the worst ills that humanity can visit upon itself.
      • Not upset at you, just...the whole thing. What it says to every rape victim out there. What wounds it reopens.

        3 years.

        You get more time for possession of pot then you do for rape.

        Polanski has money, fame and apologists galore. His victim is sick of it all nd won't fight to see him jailed. He'll walk, and I have known that since day one.

        But it rips at old wounds in a lot of people.

        I don't like feeling so small and invalid, it rather stings.
        • Naw, he's already plead guilty: time will be served (though I'll bet on house arrest).

          And I totally get that it would re-open an old wound: I have at least that much empathy. I think it doesn't help heal old wounds when those are the only input one allows themselves in a discussion, so.

          There's gonna be a beeeg batch of messiness on LJ when judgment's handed down- and I'm trying to gird my loins before the time comes- it will be ugly.
          • It will. Maybe it should be. People really do need to stand up and say "This is a real crime and real time should be done for it. The judicial system is broken."
      • 'real time' is 3 years without probation, sadly.
        I can go with 'we really need to reconsider how we deal with jailtime in the justice system' all over, no doubt.
      • Actually, investigate the case, just a little bit?
        5 counts of unlawful sex w/ a minor is the worst he was CHARGED with, in court. He pled guilty to one count, and the prosecution felt that was enough for their purposes.
        To me, that suggests they had a damned weak case, to say the least. Before we condemn Polanski in the court of public opinion, we should keep in mind that there was clearly not enough evidence in the court of actually making people serve jail time for more than 20% of what he was initially charged with to stick.
        Additionally, Polanski has kept his own thoughts OUT of the public eye, on this. Is it fair to condemn a man because someone else says a lot about how awful he was, without hearing his side of the story? Because what have you heard, from him, about his guilt or innocence? I've heard nothing.

        I'll admit that I'm inclined to think that the wheels of justice tend to grind exceedingly fine, not exceedingly poorly. It isn't just to him, the victim, OR you to string 'im up without so much as a freaking Rolling Stone interview out of him to support his guilt. While he may have behaved abominably, you and I weren't there. We have to go with what people who saw it have said. That means what the victim has said, and what the assailant has said. Polanski said 'I'm going to plead guilty to one count, here', and the prosecuting attorney, knowing what the victim was going to say, thought that a worthwhile place to pull the car over and call it a day. I frankly shudder at the thought that someone would represent that as somehow UNjust: the prosecuting attorney clearly thought little of his chances of successfully prosecuting more than that.
        I think you may be expressing your opinions here out of pre-judice- that is: you have judged the situation before the trial even started. While you certainly are entitled to your opinion, you wouldn't have been seated on a jury in this case- in much the same way that 12 canaries won't be trying a cat in the courts. You have a bias that would interfere with a neutral opinion, here, and there is nothing wrong with that bias: however, it isn't a neutral opinion. I agree the guy should get the full penalty allotted- and that includes the penalty for evading justice for decades: however, Polanski wasn't really tried AS a rapist, so it's not going to run like a sexual assault trial.
        Heck: at this point in her life, the victim openly states that the press has done more damage to her life than Polanski ever did. Does private citizens declaiming about a criminal case that they weren't party to 30-some years ago not encourage the media to pester this woman, who at this point would definitely prefer they stopped intruding on her world and give her some peace?
  • Here are two articles.
    There is testimony of the woman that was raped 31 years ago. She has forgiven Polianski and she has moved on from her life.
    She is more up set with media than Polanski. The media followed her to school. The media waited for her a her house.
    People forget the details of the case. The Judge at the last minute changed his mind. Hell the prosecutor lied.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/01/polanski.prosecutor.admits.lie/index.html
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/29/polanski.victim.profile/index.html
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