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So I made a mistake...

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I watched a little of Bill orallyO'Reilly whining about how Adam Lambert (the big fave on the current season of American Idol) has photos of him on the intertubes kissing guys... and speculating that this'll mean he doesn't win because HOLY CRAP MEN KISSING MEN OH MY GOD MEN TOUCHING TOGETHER EACH OTHER WITH THE MEN AND THE TOUCHING OH MY GOD

--seriously, though, do people really give a fuck if those two guys over there are kissing? I mean- really?
Hint: as of this moment, 1/10th of the states in the nation (Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, and Maine) have legal same-sex marriage.
I really do think most people just don't give a flying fuck at a galloping goose if two guys get hitched, are shagging each other, went on a date, shared a milkshake, or whatever. Some of this may be because they're going 'holy crap, my 401k lost 50% of its value this year alone!', but I do think there's an essential benevolent apathy about the question on most people's parts.

But what do you encounter, Gentle Reader, in your day to day life? Can you honestly name one person for whom the idea of Bill and Steve tying the knot is a sign that THE END IS HERE WE ARE ALL DOOMED, or does it seem like this is this just more right-wing spin-doctoring, talking about a non-issue rather than a real issue like 'why is the economy a shambles' or 'what the fuck are we doing in Iraq, anyway'?

And yes, I am seriously curious if there are real people out there, on the streets, who are genuine in freaking out about this yet are otherwise rational (we don't need to visit http://www.godhatesfags.com: I know those insane people are out there). I live in such a very liberal-bastion of a town that from here, it seems completely inconceivable to me that there could be three people who think like Bill O'Reilly 'thinks'.
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    • I'm gonna worry about flu strains when we get to Avian Swine flu.
      Yes, when pigs fly and cough on me, THEN I'll be worried.

      I happened to catch an excerpt of the AI contestant in question singing: he's got a frankly amazing set of pipes on 'im.
    • I've never watched or cared about American Idol until this season, but Adam Lambert is amazing, has an incredible vocal range and stage presence and seems like a genuinely great guy. He really should win, but because the show is on Faux he probably won't. The stupid runs deep among too many of their viewers.
  • My brother and sister-in-law think being a big gay homo makes God mad and supporting gay marriage likewise makes God mad. I've never seen them flip out about it, or go on an O'Reilly-esque tirade, and at least they also believe that gay-bashing likewise makes God mad. I believe my brother's comment was: Fred Phelps is going to smoke a turd in Hell.

    Mind you, I consider voting against gay marriage and reproductive rights to be a form of passive violence, and it bothers me that they do. However, they are the most anti-gay people I know, and they don't even scratch the surface of O'Reilly's BAAAWWW fest.

    Then again, how are we going to define rational? I think voting in favor of discrimination because otherwise God might get mad isn't rational. Period. No matter how calm and friendly you are about it.
    • Right: hence terming it 'genuine in freaking out about this yet are otherwise rational'.

      These do sort of sound like the folks I'm looking for: I've been doubting, without really having it come to my mind as a question, whether people even existed who were demonstrably worked up against gay marriage or homosexuality who were not also demonstrable batshit insane.

      EDIT to add: I think that the afterlife looks like you'll expect it to look like when you were alive. So Fred Phelps is going to to a place where nobody else matters- and possibly, even exists. That's enough like hell, to me, for him.

      Edited at 2009-05-08 12:49 am (UTC)
      • True. While I strongly disagree with their stance on gay rights and reproductive rights, it behooves me to admit that they are otherwise rational people. It's not a topic we go into in depth too often because we've agreed that being family is more important than getting in pot shots in a debate we'll never resolve. If they do say hurtful stuff, they don't say it while I'm around, and I appreciate it.
  • an you honestly name one person for whom the idea of Bill and Steve tying the knot is a sign that THE END IS HERE WE ARE ALL DOOMED

    Orson Scott Card.
  • Wait, he has photos of Bill O'Reilly kissing guys? Well, then he'll win American Idol for sure, because the world must pay him to never reveal those unspeakable images to mortal eyes!
  • honey I worked for 6 years in a gay bar and even gays hate gays and transgendered,its been the human culture trademark so long its ingrained...
    I'm for gay marriage cuz it would make everybody alot of money tho
    with all the partying-planning-vacationing-ect

    I think the historical bias is the only deterrent that keeps ALL/most men and women from being gay,cuz if it was promoted to be more fun than anything there wouldn't be a self continuing "society" like "the powers" want{example teh god fearing hetero family unit}
    ..its hard to govern a bunch of people having a most delicious time
    look what happened in the 20's and the 60's hahahaha

    it really blows my mind that two men in love can marry in IOWA and not San Francisco.... is the supreme being f*ing with us or what
    • Hate is one thing, sure- but the level to which this hatred rules O'Reilly is another thing again. I just find myself astonished that this man can think of himself as fit to balance a checkbook when he says stuff like he does... and I genuinely wonder if there really is ANYONE as irrational about this issue.
  • "The storm is coming" is the new "the sky is falling".
  • If the question is "do I know people who are against gay marriage?" Yes, yes I do. But to be honest, every one of them has things that are far more worrisome to them. (And okay, sure, for many of them that's abortion. But I think that's easier to get your head around even if you don't agree, maybe?)

    I continue to be against state involvement in marriage, period, of course.

  • Yep. I sure do know people like that. I work with them. I'm related to them. In a very, very, very rare cases I have a couple very old friends who believe this. It's a hazard of being stuck at the moment in jesusland. :/

    Edited at 2009-05-08 03:23 am (UTC)
  • I mostly don't care who Adam Lambert snogs cos he's not my type.
  • Out of curiosity, I looked up a video of O'Reilly's segment. It was actually kind of gratifying to see that both of his Fox News subject-matter experts basically told him, "No, Bill, this isn't going to matter. You're making a big deal over nothing. Nobody cares that the guy is gay."

    And at the end, he kind of harrumphed and tried to shrug it off... but he still came out of it looking like an ignorant blowhard.
  • I do actually know someone who is - for some reason, the idea of two guys getting married sends him into a tizzy. Anything else? Fine. Marriage? O M G.

    no, nobody can figure out why ;P
  • Oh my gods, a singer is gay! I am shocked, SHOCKED I say!

    Ye gods, is there anyone who si so perturbed by this "news?" I am bemused

    Can you honestly name one person for whom the idea of Bill and Steve tying the knot is a sign that THE END IS HERE WE ARE ALL DOOMED,

    See, this is exactly what I find. Even among people who are squicked by us gay folk none of them seem to CARE what we do - because in the end it doesn't touch them so why should they? I've met no end of people who don't like us, but very few who really believe the whole "society is doomed because of the gayness! AAARGH!"
  • I know a few old people who think the world was doomed and went to hell when women got the vote. Gay marriage would make them have a stroke.
  • They exist and they get airtime.

    I just listened to an admiral bleating about how if we allowed gays into the military then people would refuse to join and parents would discourage their kids from joining and wah wah wah we shouldn't subject our brave men and women in uniform to having GAYNESS near them.

    What really pisses me off is he clearly accepts women in the military, yet this *same* excuse was used to bar women from the military for ages.

    Oh yes, and before that? Blacks.

    When this was pointed out to him, he claimed that gays are "different." HOW. If it's about sex, then why isn't he discriminating against women? The excuse there used to be that the automatic assumption of sexual harassment would screw everything up. The same excuse he's using now. What a HYPOCRITE. (He probably still *is* discriminating against women inside his tiny brain, but he knows he can't get away with using his out-loud voice there. His brain is tiny therefore he hasn't made the leap that he shouldn't be able to get away with discriminating against gays, either.)

    Gays (out or no), women, and blacks in the military have not somehow caused the end of the military or life as we know it. Why can't these hypocritical idiots learn from history?

    Admiral Idiot: "Gays would be a security risk if we openly allowed them."
    Interviewer: "Because the current policy that they lose their job if they're outed makes them LESS of a security risk?"
    Admiral Idiot: "..."

    I can't call this guy rational, but he's an admiral in the navy, which means he is allowed to make important decisions.

    There was a caller who'd been discharged because of pictures of her kissing another girl from *before she'd joined*. She'd done nothing against policy while in the military, so they were discriminating against her for being a lesbian, not for any actions she was taking while in service.

    I had to stop listening to this show. It just made me so angry.
    • While I am ranting?

      Those people who say, "Oh gays are so awful because they don't have stable relationships!" and then turn around and say "We can't let them get married! It would erode family values!"

      Those people?

      They should be dipped in honey and left out for fire ants.
    • If it cheers you up, I saw that Rear admiral congressman explaining why we should let gays and lesbians serve openly just the other day. I know it doesn't solve it, but I figure the more higher brass explaining how bigotry hurts unit cohesion the better.
      • Belated response: that *does* help, thanks.

        I feel like it's going to happen, that the tide is turning, but it frustrates me that it has to be so much work every single time. At some point it should be possible to realize that this is history repeating with a vengeance. At least it's getting better.
  • Unfortunately, yes. While, I'd admit, most of the time it's the quiet sort of passive aggressive freaking out that comes out in jokes and snide comments or gossipy snipes. But just a few years ago in my home town in Idaho, there was a huge sign outside of a bar downtown that said, "Faggots are not welcome here" after they beat the hell out of this crossdressing guy who kept coming and spending his evenings there.

    And no one did a thing. My mother has a picture of it - she thought it was funny but put it away after I didn't laugh.

    Most folks won't 'gather the lynch mob' up or anything, but just like racism, it's there in your face on this casual but quiet level, living live in small town america.



  • Well, parents still kick out/disown LGBT teens. if they are willing to render their own underaged offspring homeless over these things, I'm betting they do care that much.
  • I bet Bill voted for Clay Aiken and now is pissed he got burned.

    Bill is a *bit* of a fear Monger, but he's paid to be loud scary rightie. He may be right that there will be people creeped out Lambert makes out with dudes (gay don't play well in the Bible Belt). And while it's obvious to EVERYONE who has ever seen a musical that he is gay, its one thing to hear it and another to make it glaringly obvious with pictures.

    There are people who do think gay marriage is wrong and is scary to them. Look at SF's count in Prop 8: almost 25% FOR the damn thing. Hell, I know a few, and I work in theatre. I agree, gay marriage is a filler issue to make us not think about the state of the economy (etc), but there are still people who find it wrong and immoral and icky.

    I'm sure in our Liberally Facist City we could find a few GHFgers. Hidden. In Pac Heights. As long as their hair stylist doesn't make out with anyone in front of them, its fine.
  • My brother and his wife actually believe...owait, they're batshit. I see what you mean.
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