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I fail to understand the lionization.

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I fail to understand the lionization.

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If you're an avowed liberal, why the fuck the huge displays of sorrow at the death of Ronald Reagan, the arch-conservative idiot? Christ on a crutch, I knew this man was a moron when I was ten years old.

If you're a Californian who is violently dissatisfied with the impoverished state of your public government enough to vote to recall a sitting Governor, you have no fucking right to shed tears over the death of the man who spent this state into the ground.

If you're an American who is troubled by the Religious Right's efforts to take over the Republican party and the government of the nation- you should perhaps take this opportunity to remember who brought us the Religious Right's efforts to take over the Republican party and the nation.

Sure, it's sad that he had Alzheimer's. It's sad that anyone has Alzheimer's. It's sad that he faded away so far down- he didn't just shuffle off, he sort of ebbed down a drainhole.

But good god. The man's legislative agenda from 1980 - 1988 demonstrates a gleeful willingness to condemn the spouses and loved ones of HIV victims to sit and helplessly watch their loved ones die. I dunno. 83 years is a decent span of time to live (yes, I'm not counting the Alzheimer's years). And my morbid sense of humor can't help but think- is the 10 years (or however long Nancy sat and watched him shuffle off this mortal coil) he had with Alzheimer's roughly equivalent to the amount of time spent suffering HIV and dying, by over 144,000 Americans whom he could have tried to help, as president?
  • hear! hear!
  • Could not have said it better.

    The only other thing that I really found notable is that Nancy is pushing for easing the restrictions on stem cell research. That was my near-spit-take for the day.
  • you should perhaps take this opportunity to remember who brought us the Religious Right's efforts to take over the Republican party and the nation

    i second that

  • I thought that asshole would never fucking die. About damn time. The only consolation to watching him outlive far better people was the knowledge that he was suffering a drawn-out, confusing, drooling, diaper-shitting existence.

    They should entomb him in state like Lenin. I'd be afraid if they planted that fucker he'd sprout and grow more.
  • He was not great in the sense some other presidents were great, but he was nowhere near as bad as who we have now. So that warrants a modicum of respect. I'm not falling on the ground wailing in grief, but it is sad.

    Sad as it would be if anyone died I knew of but wasn't close to.

    Other than that, I can't really say I feel he, or more accurately, Nancy, deserved to suffer because his policies made others suffer.

    It was messed up all around, yes, but I don't know if I buy the eye-for-an-eye angle.

    • slight clarification:

      it's sad that he died in such a painful way- and such a frightening one for him. My grandfather died of Alzheimer's, and I wouldn't wish that on anybody. That's awful, no question.

      But I cannot stop hating what he chose to do to his fellow man because he died in an awful fashion.
  • ...there are liberal outpourings of sorrow for Reagan?

    Those aren't liberals, they're knee-jerk sobbing whiners. Wah, somebody famous died.

    But I do like the idea of taking this time to teach the younger generations who have no memory of the Reagan years what he wrought, and how it affects the present and future.

    ...okay, in reality I'm torn between 'good riddance' and 'he didn't suffer long enough, damnit; if he hadn't blocked stem cell research we could have cured him by now'.
  • He simply should have remained an actor, period. Then I could cry for the man.

    I can't, now, not yet. Not when so much of his legacy lingers on after him.

    When that changes I'll spare a few minutes crying for the actor in the midst of tap-dancing with glee over the death of blind-eye, trickle-down bullshit and public policy spelled out in jellybeans in $300/hr custom-charted astrological patterns.

    As president? We should have just said no.
  • Like feyandstrange said, there are liberal outpourings of sorrow? It's news to me. All the liberal types I know are cheering.

    However, I can think of one bad aspect to this otherwise-nifty news: Now, it's not completely illegitimate for conservatives to try to name things after him. Until now, we could skip past all arguments of whether or not he deserved to have something named after him (such things being ultimately subjective), and go straight to "He's not dead yet, dammit. You wait until someone's dead before you name things after them."

    Now, we no longer have that argument available. So we'll just have to stick to our guns on "He wasn't worth it."
  • On the other hand, he was a much more amiable and personable stooge than George W. Bush.
    • I have to say that all the comments about Bush being worse still feels flat to me.

      The sixteen years since he has been out of office have acted as a sort of erosion of our memories and hate. This is old mother Reagan, the man that we thought was going to end the world. The man who was willing to destroy the entire Santa Barbara coastline. And the man who lead us to the policy of Constructive Engagement in South Africa.

      I will not mourn his passing, and I refuse to see him as anything more than an evil bigot who gave me a focus to despise what America stood for.
  • It's largely his fault that tuberculosis is still a problem, too. It pales next to AIDS, but it's still pretty serious.
  • Not so eloquent as yours, but points for enthusiasm:

    Too bad it's not like in the fairy tales, when you kill the main monster and all the monstrosities he's created die too...
  • Ronald Reagan is dead.

    Creed officially broke up.

    A very good weekend, I think.
  • In modest defense of the man, he was still in my mind, Alzheimer's and all, less terrifying in office than either Bush. This may simply be the fact that I wasn't sufficiently politically conscious during the time period to have accurate recollections.

    Do I like a lot of his policies? Nope. He mishandled the impending HIV epidemic in grand fashion. His alignment with the Religious Right has left behind a legacy of hate and intolerance toward both homosexuals, and toward the idea of a certain medical procedure that the Supreme Court says is just fine, thank you very much.

    But to at least some small degree, while he was a disaster in domestic policy, that's half the job description (others have argued that it's a lot closer to 25%). Say what you will, the biggest threat on the foreign front had its economy smashed. Eastern Europe was opened up, and arguably, democratic values were given a chance to flourish.

    Does this excuse the failures of domestic policy? Nope. Not a bit. Does he deserve to be recognized for both the good *and* the bad he did while in office? I think so. I think we should try to recall with accuracy and objectivity, and weigh the man's actions both good and ill.

    I don't know whether the weight of his deeds done poorly is heavier than a feather. I don't think that's my decision to make. I'm not trying to glorify the man, I'm just trying to give him his fair shake.
  • Reagan is going to be lionized because of the Eighties nostalgia and because the people in power now are the same ones who benefitted from his policies back in the Eighties.

    In comparison with Dubya? Reagan at least sweet-talked us and slipped us some roofies before he fucked us. Dubya doesn't even have that modicum of grace.

    I'm going to go play Fishbone's "Ugly" now. Followed by Dead Milkmen's "Right Wing Pigeon From Outer Space". Both about Reagan.

    Bedtime for Bonzo, indeed.
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